EP#02 Beyond The Obvious: Leading from Within – João Heep on Courage, Presence, and Change

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What if the way we lead, learn, and live isn’t broken, just outdated? In this raw, intelligent, and quietly revolutionary conversation, João Heep shares his vision for real change: not louder, but deeper.

We explore why the next generation doesn’t just want new answers; they want better questions. Why education, leadership, and even money need a different foundation. And how transformation doesn’t begin in strategy, but in the nervous system.

João doesn’t give you a quick fix. He offers something braver: A new kind of presence.

You’ll hear about:

– The burnout behind performance culture

– Why transformation without embodiment fails

– The myth of “fixing the system” from the outside

– João’s personal shift from ambition to alignment

– Why slowing down isn’t a luxury — it’s a leadership decision

This episode is a deep breath for anyone who's tired of surface-level change — and ready to lead from a new place.

Timestamps:

00:02:10 — From school reform to inner reform

00:06:45 — “I was performing success — but it wasn’t mine.”

00:12:30 — The body always knows first

00:18:20 — Why speed and shame are the enemies of change

00:27:10 — Leadership, slowness, and the courage to see

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